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		<title>Marine A/C Pumps and Pump Relays</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have touched on seawater cooling and lack of...Now what about if you have a intermittent problem, or the pump won't start at all ?

In boats with multiple systems running on one seawater pump there is most likely a Pump Relay to receive a signal from each system to tell the pump it needs to run...That is unless it has been bypassed and the pump runs 24/7 from the breaker ( I see this done fairly often)

Lets start with the breaker in the main panel...Most are labeled A/C pump or similar...Some boats may have the pump breaker tied in with one of the A/C system breakers (Ocean Yachts for one used to connect the pump to the Main Salon A/C Breaker) but most should have a stand alone breaker...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2543" title="CruisairPumpRelay" src="http://marine-ac.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/CruisairPumpRelay.jpg" alt="" width="320" height="212" />We have touched on seawater cooling and lack of&#8230;Now what about if you have a intermittent problem, or the pump won&#8217;t start at all ?</p>
<p>In boats with multiple systems running on one seawater pump there is most likely a <strong>Pump Relay</strong> to receive a signal from each system to tell the pump it needs to run&#8230;That is unless it has been bypassed and the pump runs 24/7 from the breaker ( I see this done fairly often)</p>
<p>Lets start with the breaker in the main panel&#8230;Most are labeled A/C pump or similar&#8230;Some boats may have the pump breaker tied in with one of the A/C system breakers (Ocean Yachts for one used to connect the pump to the Main Salon A/C Breaker) but most should have a stand alone breaker&#8230;</p>
<p>The breaker feeds the pump relay and carries the load of the pump only&#8230;this power can be either 115 or 230 volts depending on the pump installed&#8230;</p>
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<p>The individual systems aboard will then have their own breaker that powers/protects each A/C system &amp; it&#8217;s wiring&#8230;These can also be 115 or 230v supplied&#8230;The reason I describe this is that some boats have a mixture of system voltages&#8230;Hatteras for example, always supplied one of the smaller systems as 115v and the rest as 230v&#8230;They would then install a 115v pump so that if all that is available on the dock is 115v, you can still have at least one cabin of A/C for crew/kids while the owners/parents go to the resort for the night without starting the generator (Well this has always been my assumption and nowadays most docks will have 230v anyway)</p>
<p>There have been many types of pump relays over the years&#8230;Some with mechanical relays (in previous times) but most for many years have been &#8220;ignition protected&#8221; solid state designs&#8230;Here are the most current &amp; popular versions that I see, and a few of the most common failures&#8230;</p>
<p>Some were for built for only 2 systems and could not be expanded for more&#8230;Marine Air still makes a 2 unit relay (2PRP) but they also offer one that can handle up to 6 systems (6PRP) on one pump&#8230;you don&#8217;t have to utilise all if you have say 3 or 4 systems, and it actually gives you spare circuits to re-connect a system to if the one it&#8217;s connected to were to fail (that is if you have the 6PRP)&#8230;These relays are just a metal box with a single circuit board and all needed components on that board&#8230;Other than complete board replacement, there are no repair parts available/needed.</p>
<p>Cruisair went about it a bit differently&#8230;Years ago they offered one pump relay that could handle up to 8 systems on one pump (PR8X) and it came with individualised components, all of which could be replaced&#8230;The &#8220;Circuit Board&#8221; &amp; separate&#8221; Triac&#8221; (solid state relay that switches &amp; carries the pump current) came with the box&#8230;You could then add &#8220;Triggers&#8221; for as many units as needed, and you could also select trigger voltage (115 or 230) to match the system voltage feeding it&#8230;.These triggers of course were/are replaceable with two screws &amp; two plug on wires in the event of failure&#8230;</p>
<p>The only problem with this Pump Relay was the box was a bit large for smaller areas in boats that may only need 2 or three triggers&#8230;So they built a smaller box that can house all the same basic components (circuit board &amp; triac) but only has room for up to 3 triggers&#8230;It can also be purchased with the triggers pre-installed for either 2 or 3 systems (PR3X-?) The question mark would be the number of triggers pre-installed (either 2 or 3)&#8230;They still offer the PR8X, and it can also now be purchased with triggers pre-installed but either box is not hard to add/install trigger/s in&#8230;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The main purpose of these relays is to run the pump when a system is calling for it&#8230;That means any system that is running a compressor (Some with just fan, IE: older Three knob cabin controlled systems)&#8230;But if a trigger circuit in either type box fails (Marine Air, Cruisair, or any manufacturer) the pump may run for one or more systems&#8230;But not for the one that has the failed trigger circuit&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">This sometimes causes confusion because if any one of the good triggers starts the pump&#8230;All systems that are connected to that pump will get seawater, and thus run normally&#8230;.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">However if the system/s with the good trigger/s cycle off, and the one with the bad trigger either continues to run, or starts up with the others off&#8230;It may/should shut down randomly with a fault code on the cabin display.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The easiest thing to do to verify if you have a problem is to test run each system&#8221; individually&#8221; to verify if you are pumping water with just that system running&#8230;If you find a system that won&#8217;t start the pump, the trigger circuit (in the pump relay) for that system has likely failed.</span></p>
<p>Also if the pump won&#8217;t run at all&#8230;These Pump Relays all have fuses installed either inside the box (Newer automotive type pull out fuse) or in a typical twist type fuse holder mounted thru the box ( It&#8217;s how Ocean Yachts gets away with running the pump on the salon breaker)&#8230;This should be one of the first things to check&#8230;.If the fuse is blown, and then blows again after replacement, it&#8217;s time to look at the pump &amp; associated wiring for shorts or bad/wet connections.</p>
<p>These Pumps &amp; Relays are pretty easy to troubleshoot with a volt meter and a bit of common sense, but going into that here would be a bit long for all models&#8230;If you want help with your individual installation, I&#8217;ll be more that happy to answer in the forum troubleshooting section <a href="http://marine-ac.com/forum/troubleshooting/">http://marine-ac.com/forum/troubleshooting/</a></p>
<p>Just let me know what you have and we can solve it there together&#8230;If you have another brand of equipment or model of pump relay, it&#8217;s likely that I have seen a few&#8230;We can figure those out together too&#8230;</p>
<p>Steve~</p>
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