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Suction line freezing

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reefgeorge

Melbourne, Fl.

posts 21

9:58 am June 1, 2010

Steve

Thanks for all your help so far, I'll charge to more "normal" pressures and see where we are at and report back. Now that I know that your are looking at the Hatteras site, I'll stop repeating here.

BTW, what is your take on my question about the frozen compressor problem on my other unit (in my discussion with Kush on Hatteras).

Thanks.

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reefgeorge

Melbourne, Fl.

posts 21

7:35 pm June 1, 2010

Well I went back down to the boat after 18 hours with the "minimum" charge scenario and after the system was able to pull out the rest of the humidity and get to minimum load, it froze up again. So besides the hot compressor problem, the unit still freezes eventually. This charge level can cool the cabin but has these other performance problems, but you already knew that. I was not able to try the higher charge scenario, I'll post back when I get to it this weekend.

In the meantime, I have a frozen compressor on the other unit. can increasing the start capacitor value help without other problems? Tecumseh says that you can go up one capacitor value from 72-88 to 88-108. Any higher? Kush suggested hitting it so I'll try that as well. If that unit cannot be salvaged, how do you decide on compressor vs entire condensing unit? If its whole condenser, are there any problems reclaiming the 417A and replacing with R22?

Thanks.

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Steve Pooler

posts 1127

6:37 am June 2, 2010

George~

I think you are pretty much wasting your time & money to get the locked compressor turning over…The damage is already done, and even if you do get it running, it's likely to quit very soon after…at least in my experience…

I know of no problem evacuating the 417a & recharging with R-22…Same compressors, Same oil…

A Replacement compressor is $695 Cruisair #3101-16T with tubes & burn out drier..Tecumseh # AKA8515EXA …Plus labor & refrigerant.

Make sure if you have a 16K unit that you only use that compressor…Supply house matches don't work out well at all…Trust me on this.

A replacement 16 condensing unit for operation with SMXII would be a RX16-417 at $2240.00 retail (I can discount this)

I don't know the condition of your existing unit so that would be your decision on which to do…

Steve~

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reefgeorge

Melbourne, Fl.

posts 21

7:02 am June 2, 2010

Steve

What factors do you consider when deciding if a compressor change out is a good idea vs. the entire condenser? What are the discounted prices of both options and where do you ship from?

Thanks.

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Steve Pooler

posts 1127

7:28 am June 2, 2010

George~

I can't quote discounts here, but if you want to shoot me an e-mail thru the Contact Steve link at the top of any page…I'll respond…

Thanks,

Steve~

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reefgeorge

Melbourne, Fl.

posts 21

8:11 am June 2, 2010

Steve

i can't get the contact form to work on this phone.

ggidzinski@cfl.rr.com

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Steve Pooler

posts 1127

8:39 am June 2, 2010

Check your mail George…I'm headed out to work for the day…Will check back later..

Steve~

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reefgeorge

Melbourne, Fl.

posts 21

10:49 pm February 17, 2012

Post edited 9:34 am – February 20, 2012 by reefgeorge


I see that I never posted a final summary. I eventually charged the unit until I met the 120F compressor temp maximum and 58psi suction minimum and tried that charge level for a while (still below the charts on suction psi). Well awhile is now coming up on two years without a single problem. As a matter of fact I have never gone this long without needing to look at the charge and I have been through two winters with heat operating without compressor cycling on extreme weather cabin warm ups. Thank for all of your help and getting me off of residential HVAC targets and on to marine AC guidelines.

 

Next topic. I still have not addressed the frozen compressor on the other unit. My current thinking is to use the same frame and electronics (caps and board are all new) but replace the compressor, dryer, exchanger tubes and possibly the access ports. A few have said that compressor and dryer only for a 10 year old unit is dicey because of the potential for exchanger leaks. Is this approach workable? Are all of the parts still available. Its a 2002 vintage packaged 16,000 btu Cruisair unit.

 

I guess another option is to avoid a rebuild by purchasing a complete compressor rack replacement which would ship with R417a refrigerant. As I understand it R22 uses mineral oil and 417a can theoretically use mineral, POE, or AB oil so the 417a based replacement condensing unit would be a direct drop in replacement without an oil compatibility problem as long as this new unit is shipped with 417a and mineral oil. is this the case?

Thanks,

 

George


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