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No Cooling late last season.

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4:52 pm
April 8, 2009


raymillsus

Member

posts 17

Last season I had an issue. I have a Cruisair system not sure of the size. It is different than what you have explained. I have only 2 dials not 3 on my panel. Here is what happened. We were going to go for a weekend to meet some friends and spend the weekend. I went down the night before and cleaned and set everything up for our early departure. When I left I thought it would be nice for my wife to be able to come into a nice cool cabin to put everything away. When we got to the boat in the morning it was definately cold in the cabin. We left on our 50 mile journey to meet up with our friends and get our transient slip. When we got to the slip and plugged in the A/C would not cool. I found out that we must have had a really low tide the night before because the strainer was full of Mudd. I cleaned the strainer and turned it back on and it took a bit but water started to flow normally. The problem is that it never really cooled again. Before the mudd it took a long time for the cabin to cool. When I say a long time I mean 3-6 hrs. This is a small 1998 26 foot Regal 258 commodore that I picked up for a good deal at the beginning of the season last year. I feel that it may need freon but not sure what kind. R22, R134a etc. ??? I am thinking about having the Cruiseair guy come out but he is very expensive if in the end I am looking at a bad compressor. If anyone has any ideas I am all ears. I would like to be able to get this thing working since we have had a new baby over the winter and I will need to be able to keep him cool for extended days this summer. Suggestions??


Thank you,


Ray

9:24 am
April 9, 2009


Steve Pooler

Admin

posts 415

Hi Ray…Thanks for posting…You are the first to do so here…


On to your problem…

The control with 2 knobs usually came with Cruisair's lower priced "Zepher" self contained systems….They built them in 5,000, 10,000 & 16,000 btu sizes…Most common was the 5,000 btu unit….It had basically the same control as I described, but without Fan Speed adjustment capability…No middle knob.

From your description of last season…It's gonna be a bit hard to say what was or is happening today so help me out…

Is it pumping water and if so…Can you hear the compressor run ?


Cruisair Zepher systems are All in One units that are not likely to loose freon unless electrolysis has eaten away at solder joints.

It is however possible that during the mud thing, and while trying to run without water that it burnt a wire connection…usually on the back side of the control, but it can also be on the unit itself.

If the compressor does not run…That's probably the case…A burnt wire or connection, and they are usually pretty easy to spot & repair.

I would start by pulling the control out of the bulkhead to view the back side…

Let us know what you find…


Steve~

3:39 pm
April 9, 2009


raymillsus

Member

posts 17

Will do I am going to be down at the boat tomorrow night so I can check it then. The boat is not in the water yet but when I pulled it, it was shooting a good stream of water out of it. 2.5 – 3 feet from the boat which is pretty good since it was basically straight from the through hull to the water with very little arch in it. I think every thing is good with the water pump. I do know that the compressor was coming on because it was vibrating and getting warm. Not hot but warm. I will check the back of the controll panel hopefully that is the issue. I was thinking it needed freon because it took so long to cool down the cabin. On a really hot day it could take 5-6 hrs. So I would think that is a sign of low freon if not let me know. Once a month I would clean the filter, I was told it was over kill but that is what I do at home so I figure why not on the boat. It is so easy to do that it is dry by the time I am ready to go I just popped it in and got underway. Well I appreiciate your reply and I will post back with what I have found. Nice to know a bit more about the unit as well.

If I need to have someone look at it is this something that I could have the marina do or do you reccomend having the Cruisair guy come out. The Cruiseair guy charges 170 to come out for the first hour and 120 for the subsequent hours. He said usually he can be done in less than one hour and let you know if it can be fixed or if it needs to be replaced.

-Ray

7:02 pm
April 9, 2009


Steve Pooler

Admin

posts 415

Ray,

Now that you have told me more I'm not sure you should bother with the control…That was if the compressor was not running.

What you might want to do is pick up a thermometer (if you don't have one already)

With the system running you should be getting a 15 to 18 degree exchange from air going in to air coming out.

So first place the thermometer at the return air grill and (give it a few minutes to stabilize) take a reading.

Then place it in the discharge grill air path (up close) to get your second reading…

If the difference in the two readings is less than 15, or more than 18 degrees, you have a problem…We can discuss that when you have the readings.

If it's within that range the system is doing all it can do and just may be a bit small for the amount of heat leaking in late in the season.


As far as the Cruisair guy…What part of the country are you in ?

His hourly rate does seem a bit high unless it's a 2 man rate, but yes he should be able to troubleshoot it in less than an hour.

You might ask the marina if they have someone qualified, or if they have someone they recommend or use…Most marinas here don't have someone on staff as they need to be licensed to handle/purchase refrigerants, plus they don't get enough of that kind of work to keep a good guy busy.


Steve~ 

7:55 pm
April 9, 2009


raymillsus

Member

posts 17

 I am in the DC area. I am assuming this unit (1998 Regal Commodore) is an R22 would that be correct. I agree with you on the rate but everyone here always tells you it is like that because you live in the DC area. I have acronyms for DC but I will not voice them here. Yell My marina seems to be pretty good but I am not sure if they can handle this.


Once again I appreiciate the reply.


-Ray

5:24 am
April 10, 2009


Steve Pooler

Admin

posts 415

You are correct Ray…It is a R-22 unit…

I will again add that it is unlikely that it is low on refrigerant…Unlike your car that has rubber hoses, o-rings & a compressor shaft seal…These are sealed units with all copper tubing & sweat joints.


The thermometer test should give you a answer…Remember 15-18 degrees exchange…


Steve~


11:12 am
April 13, 2009


Steve Pooler

Admin

posts 415

Hi Ray…If you're still out there…


I'm curious as to how you made out this weekend ?


Steve~

1:30 pm
April 20, 2009


raymillsus

Member

posts 17

Steve,


I am still out here but I got the boat in the water on Friday and forgot to bring it down with me. I will put it in the bag to take down next time and check it out. Maybe this weekend. Sorry for the late reply. Just been hectic.


-Ray

11:22 am
May 3, 2009


Steve Pooler

Admin

posts 415

Where did you go Ray ?  Cool

Did you ever get back down to the boat with a thermometer ?


Steve~

3:05 pm
May 15, 2009


raymillsus

Member

posts 17

Ok I actually did the check of the incoming and outgoing Temp's. I have about a -4 or -5 deg difference between the intake and discharge. The water temp that day was about 68 deg and the air temp was about 80 deg.


Sorry it has taken so long When I went to the boat I kept forgetting the Thermometer. But I finally did it.




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