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Mairne Air Compressor not starting seperate units.

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Mr. Dee

Florida

posts 17

7:03 am May 12, 2011

Post edited 8:44 am – May 12, 2011 by gary dinsdale


The bow a/c unit just doesn't even try to start it did a little now not at all.

I can hear the relay click on then click off but the compressor (seperated units) does not budge. Anybody have some detailed troubleshooting method. It is a Marine aire with IV controller. Electronic

 

It is on 1986 41 Hatteras the a/c was installed new around 1998

 

Boat is located in Florida

 

Thanks Gary

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Steve Pooler

posts 1127

9:47 am May 12, 2011

Hi Gary~

 

Did lights dim when it did try ?

 

Not sure what you mean by: "It is a Marine aire with IV controller. Electronic"

Typically Hatteras installed either Cruisair or Luneair…Luneair is long out of business…

Most all Hatt's came standard with A/C…Maybe yours was retrofitted in 98 ?

Marine Airrrr was another company but is now owned by the same company (Dometic corp) as Cruisair.

 

If it's Marine Air…Can you pick out the control in the below link ?

http://marine-ac.com/marine-ac…..ion-units/

 

Steve~

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Mr. Dee

Florida

posts 17

11:52 am May 12, 2011

The controller looks very similar to the XTC controller.

 

I always thought it was retrofitted in 1998, but it might just have been new compressors.  I can take pics and post them if that would help.

 

No lights appear to be dimming. I will also check to see if the amp guage is kicking up and then down when I hear the relay click.

 

Thanks gary

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Steve Pooler

posts 1127

4:00 pm May 12, 2011

Pictures are always good, but right now I'm trying to determine if you may have burnt wire or connections…

If you get no amp surge, or voltage drop, then it's likely the issue.

But if you do see amp surge then we possibly have a compressor or capacitor problem.

 

Steve~

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Mr. Dee

Florida

posts 17

9:24 pm May 12, 2011

Post edited 7:15 am – May 13, 2011 by Mr. Dee


OK, I must be getting old lol

 

They are Lunaire units.

 

The controller is the MTC-IV series 2 which looks like the XTC.

 

The fan comes on and you can hear the relay but no change in amperage and the lights do not go DIM.

 

Gary

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Steve Pooler

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8:36 am May 13, 2011

Post edited 8:44 am – May 13, 2011 by Steve Pooler


Mr. Dee said:

OK, I must be getting old lol…Me Too Gary… Embarassed

 

They are Lunaire units...That would mean they are likely original Hatteras equipment…Hatteras used Luneair equipment on the smaller than 50' boats during that time period.

 

The controller is the MTC-IV series 2 which looks like the XTC.…Maybe even closer to the the MTC-X (Roman numerical for 10) which is the next one down in that PDF, but if you notice dates…None go back as far as your 86 vintage which would be the 4th version…But no matter…Parts are not available for either.

 

The fan comes on and you can hear the relay but no change in amperage and the lights do not go DIM.…The relay click you hear may not be a relay…It's likely the reversing valve coil that usually energizes before a compressor start…The no amperage or lights dimming tells me it's not even trying to start.

 

Gary

Do the Cool or Heat indicator light/s light up ?…If so then we know the control is at least asking for the compressor to run.

First thing I would do is open up all electrical boxes (turn of breakers first of course)…Lunair units usually had a stainless steel box mounted on top of the unit in the engine room…If memory serves…There should actually be 2 boxes…The one for the unit (that has the capacitors in it) will be stainless steel…The other is made of aluminum, and will house the main circuit board for the control….

Check for burnt connections or smell….

if you smell something in the Stainless box…Look at the connections to the Run capacitor (small silver soda can like)

Again if memory serves….You may need to remove a rubber boot that the wires run thru to get to the connections on the Run capacitor…But it's a common place for them to fail….

Get back to be with your findings…Don't forget to check for the Cool/Heat light first…If it's not lighting, then the above may not be the issue.

 

Steve~ 

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Mr. Dee

Florida

posts 17

9:59 am May 13, 2011

Yes the cool and or the heat light comes on which ever you ask for.

 

Yes the al. box is on top of the compressor and it does house the capicitors. So I will peal back the wires and check for burnt wires. If no burnt wires can I probe for 220 volts from the white Capicitor wire to black red? I've opened that box and thought that would be my next step. But I have not opened the control box and looked for anything funny there. I think what I will do is check for the burnt loose wires in the capicitor area and if nothing present look into the control box for the same thing.

 

I seem to remember some 7-8 years ago a similar thing happened and I changed a triac. But I can't find the paperwrokYell.

 

Thanks

 

gary

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Steve Pooler

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10:17 am May 13, 2011

Post edited 10:19 am – May 13, 2011 by Steve Pooler


I believe the gated compressor wire will either be purple, or have piece of purple tape around the terminal strip end close to the connector…Measure from that to Line 2 (black/red)

But again memory  Confused

Yes it could be a Triac but in your case (read your HOF post) where you had blocked or reduced water flow (which would cause high amperage draw) They usually fail in the Gated/Closed mode….Compressor would not shut off….

 

Steve~

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Mr. Dee

Florida

posts 17

11:17 am May 13, 2011

Post edited 11:17 am – May 13, 2011 by Mr. Dee


Yes what happened is the water supply became less and less. Then by the time I noticed and fixed it the bow a/c would start to start (compressor) and immediately shut off less than a second no time for it to decides it was getting too hot. Then and now the compressor does not even try to start with no light dimming or amperage bump.

 

Thanks Steve

 

gary

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Steve Pooler

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11:23 am May 13, 2011

Post edited 11:30 am – May 13, 2011 by Steve Pooler


Yep….Sounds like a wire was hanging on by a strand or two…

You can also check under the compressor's connection cover…There should be a small (diameter of maybe a quarter) black round thermal overload that may have gone bad…Jump it out for the test, but do not run the unit for very long without it (or a replacement) as it's the compressor's last line of protection…

 

Steve~


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