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Blocked Capillary Valves on Air Handlers?

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geoffschultz

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5:54 pm March 19, 2011

Post edited 8:15 am – March 20, 2011 by geoffschultz


My boat has been sitting in San Diego since shipping it there in November. At that time the 13 year old Marine Air 16K split system was working fine. We just returned and found that the AC wasn't cooling or heating.

I put gauges on the compressor and saw that I wasn't getting any compression. I thought that perhaps that I had a leak, so I vacuumed the system, but found that it held the vacuum overnight. I then recharged and once again saw that I wasn't getting any compression when cooling. I then ran some tests and am quite confused by what I'm seeing.

In cooling mode, I see the low pressure side reading decrease as expected, but I see no pressure increase on the high side. When I put it into reverse cycle heating mode, I see ~115 PSI on what would normally be the suction side, but there is no pressure decrease on what would normally be the discharge side as measured at the rotolock valves on the compressor.

The compressor is clearly generating compression as shown by the heating cycle. I'm absolutely stumped as to why I see no changes in pressure at the discharge rotolock valve.

I ran some more experiments since writing the above.  I've closed the rotolock valves so the compressor is isolated and I'm only accessing the lines to/from the air handlers.  I vacuum the system and then open either side, and I see no pressure change on the opposing side.  Am I correct in assuming that air/gas should flow through the evaporator given 30Hg of vacuum and 1 atmosphere of gas? 

If that assumption is correct, then it appears the something completely blocking the lines.  At this point I'm guessing that the capillary valves are blocked.  Is this a reasonable guess?  If so, how would this have happened and can this be fixed?   Other guesses?

 

– Geoff

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Steve Pooler

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8:03 am March 20, 2011

Hi Geoff~

My first guess here is you may be confused with the operation of the service valves…or rotolock valves as you describe…

  • Valve stems up to top = Gauge ports closed so caps can be removed & hoses attached.
  • Valve stems at bottom = Gauge ports open, but ports to & from air handler closed.
  • Valve stems in mid area = Gauge ports open & ports to AH open…
  • Bottom gauge port on small valve (the one on the right that has 2 ports) is open to the system (air handler) tubing all the time but has a schrader valve that must be depressed by the hose fitting.

Also…In the heat mode the high side valve becomes the low side because it is after the reversing valve, and that's what a "Reverse Cycle" system does…It reverses the flow of refrigerant…

If you have the valves bottomed (isolating the condensing unit) you are only acessing the condensing unit, and you will not see flow thru the air handler.

 

Steve~

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geoffschultz

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8:23 am March 20, 2011

Thanks for the feedback, but there are 3 "ports" on the service valves.  The top port connects to the guages, the middle goes to the lines to the air handler and the bottom got to the compressor.  Normally the valves are in the up position.  When I move it to the bottom, aren't I isolating the compressor?  

 

I understand how the reversing valve works…or is supposed to work.

 

– Geoff

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Steve Pooler

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8:51 am March 20, 2011

geoffschultz said:

Thanks for the feedback, but there are 3 "ports" on the service valves.  The top port connects to the guages, the middle goes to the lines to the air handler and the bottom got to the compressor...Should be only two ports on the suction valve…One is 1/4" for the gauge, and the other will be 1/2" for the copper line…The high side valve will have three 1/4" ports…The one down low pointing straight out will be for the tubing…The other two will be as I described…Normally the valves are in the up position.  When I move it to the bottom, aren't I isolating the compressor?…Yes but, your gauge port on the low side valve will be reading what's in the condensing unit (compressor) and not the line set or evaporator…Then depending on which 1/4" port you connect to on the high side valve…You will either be reading condensing unit (upper port), or line set evap (lower port) providing the little valve gets depressed by your hose connection.

The lower 1/4" port is normally for connecting the vacuum pump & evacuating the line set & evaporator before opening the service valves of a new pre-charged dry unit to the system.

Steve~  

 

I understand how the reversing valve works…or is supposed to work.

 

– Geoff


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geoffschultz

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10:08 am March 20, 2011

Post edited 10:11 am – March 20, 2011 by geoffschultz


Steve,

Thanks for pointing out something that I didn't realize…that the guage ports on the Marine Air system have Schroeder valves.  My refrigeration system doesn't have Schroeder valves. Anyhow, due to access restrictions, I had reversed the HP hose so that the end with the pin which depresses the Schroeder valve was at the gauge end!  Duh…Won't make that mistake again.

Now it's back to taking some real readings and diagnosing this.

Thanks again! 

– Geoff

P.S.  Both service valves are configured the same.  The bottom port goes to the compressor, the middle to the lines to/from the air handler and the top to the gauges.


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